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pluskidcongratulations to all!02:29
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gsomixpluskid, congrats :)07:43
pluskidgsomix: congrats to you, too :)07:43
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blackburnpluskid: hey there08:37
pluskidblackburn: hi :D08:38
blackburncongrats being accepted08:38
pluskidblackburn: thank you!08:38
pluskidblackburn: congrats to you, too (though not that necessary, haha)08:38
blackburnI guess you understand why I suggested some multiclass improvements before ;)08:38
pluskidblackburn: ah, I see now :)08:39
blackburnI am sorry it is not what you wanted from the beginning but I hope it would be fun08:39
pluskidnever mind, I'm very interested in this topic, too08:40
blackburnI need to admit we planned me as kind of co-mentor for your task08:40
pluskidwow, that's great08:40
blackburnas I am particularly interested in multiclass things08:40
pluskidyou are more available than Cheng I guess, haha08:40
blackburncheng soon is the expert so he can suggest something cool still08:41
blackburnso I can help you with some development08:41
pluskidyeah, but I guess he would also be super busy08:41
pluskidyou would be super busy, too (as both a student and a mentor, haha)08:41
blackburnactually you both are in similar timezones so it makes your contact easier08:41
pluskidyes08:42
blackburnyou do not need much support so I won't be very busy helping you08:42
pluskidAh, I thought Cheng is in MPI08:42
blackburnno, melbourne08:43
pluskidah, then would be in similar time zone08:43
pluskidnot sure whether he knows Chinese, haha :p08:44
blackburnhe is malaysian afaik08:44
blackburnno idea actually08:45
pluskidhmm08:45
blackburnwhat you can do right now is to write him a mail I think08:45
pluskidalready done :)08:45
blackburnah right08:45
pluskidthough I haven't written the self-intro email to shogun, et08:46
blackburnnext mails discussing project should be better CCed with shogun mailing list08:46
pluskidsure~08:47
blackburnI am writing this introductive mail rigght now08:47
pluskidI'll do that soon, too08:47
pluskidbtw: when will the kick off meeting?08:47
blackburnpluskid: end of this week probably or so08:49
pluskidok08:49
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sonne|workpluskid: yes cheng is from Malaysia09:27
pluskidsonne|work: hmm, just got his name in Chinese: ??? :p09:28
blackburnsonne|work: I know you think DA is useless but I am going to implement some really fun application09:28
blackburnsonne|work: were you at/have you checked NIPS 2011 DA workshop?09:29
sonne|workpluskid: whatever that means :D09:30
sonne|workpluskid: btw, since you are the only one who has a homepage I had a look09:30
sonne|workseems like you are an artist too!09:30
sonne|worknice pictures09:30
sonne|workI love the nausica anime btw09:31
pluskidsonne|work: not enough to be an artist, but I like drawing :D09:31
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pluskidsonne|work: glad to hear that, I love that anime, too!09:31
sonne|workpluskid:  you have actually the skills to  draw some nice shogun logo - if something comes to your mind don't hesitsate :)09:32
sonne|workhesitate09:32
sonne|workblackburn: no09:32
sonne|workthere where interesting ones too :P09:32
pluskidsonne|work: aha, I'll try, if I got any good idea :)09:32
blackburnsonne|work: there was a paper about domain adaptation from virtual video game pedestrian detection to real world09:33
ted__sonne|work: I know you are pretty busy. I am looking for c++ example for string kernel (with features of diff size) and possible multiclass svm in these case. If you have time to share smthg it would be great. tx.09:33
blackburnsonne|work: I'm going to do the trick with traffic signs09:34
sonne|workted__: look at the examples09:34
ted__sonne|work: I found no example handling features of different size09:34
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sonne|workted__: what is so difficult in doing09:36
sonne|workx=['bla','fooooo','baaar']09:36
sonne|workStringCharFeatures(x, BYTE)09:36
sonne|work?09:36
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wikingmorning10:22
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n4nd0good morning people!10:23
n4nd0pluskid: congrats man ;)10:25
pluskidn4nd0: congrats to you, too! :)10:25
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blackburnn4nd0: guten morgen10:28
wikingahahahahha blackburn :D10:49
wikingblackburn: learning deutsch? wie geht's? :)10:50
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blackburnwiking: no idea what is the appropriate answer :)10:51
wikingblackburn: sehr gut, danke ;)10:51
blackburnheh sounds reasonable10:51
wikingor ganz schlecht ;)10:52
wikingdepends on your mood ;P10:52
wikingbut ask sonney2k ... i guess he is a fluent german speaker :)10:52
blackburnwiking: if I start asking sonney2k about german he would buy a ticket to samara, find me and do something to stop that10:53
wikinghahahahahah10:54
wikingpersonally i hate german language, even if when my knowledge is about intermediate ;P10:54
blackburnwhy? I feel excited about it10:55
wikinghahahah10:56
wikingi think the most i don't like about it is the der, die, das10:56
wikingand after that the sound of it :)10:56
wikingand the learning curve of the language is different as well... it takes a much longer time than for example in english to get on a good communication level10:57
wikingso rather go and study french or something :)10:57
wikingor mandarine ;)10:57
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wikingok time to write a short email about me10:58
blackburnwiking: der die das is not confusing while we have these word genders in russian :)10:59
wikingblackburn: but it makes no fucking sense :)10:59
wikingi mean in german10:59
wiking:)))010:59
wikingin slavic language i still get it10:59
wikingb10:59
wikingu10:59
wikingt10:59
sonne|workwiking: why don't you want a horse to not be male :)11:00
blackburnah really I forgot you know srbska11:00
sonne|workand a duck female :D11:00
wikingbut when in german the bra is der,11:00
wikingsonne|work: male bra!11:00
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wikingder BH11:00
wikingi think that is the worse11:00
wiking:)11:00
sonne|workwiking: makes even more sense :D11:00
blackburnwiking: you steal my motivation! how can I talk to sonne|work then11:00
blackburn;)11:00
wikingbut i guess it's because der halter11:00
wikingso they just had to stick to it :P11:01
n4nd0wiking: hey! do you have a moment to discuss about SO?11:01
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sonne|workwiking: it is like the owner :D11:07
sonne|work*lol*11:07
sonne|workI never expected a discussion like this11:08
pluskidwiking: welcome to Mandarin :D11:09
sonne|workpluskid: I question that any of us knows >2 chinese characters11:10
sonne|workpluskid: except you of course!11:10
sonne|workso we cannot even write about the things we don't know!11:11
pluskidsonne|work: you mean you know nothing beyond ?? (shogun) ? :p11:11
sonne|workexactly11:11
* blackburn would never be able to write it down11:11
sonne|workwell 1,2,3 (these horizontal strokes) too but that doesn't really count11:12
pluskidhaha!11:12
blackburnI thought it is japanese actually lol :D11:12
pluskidblackburn: Japanese and Chinese shares a lot of characters11:13
blackburnreally? how much it coincides?11:13
pluskidsonne|work: you will learn a new character, for ten, we use a cross (more like a plus sign, "+")11:13
pluskidblackburn: a lot, but many are slightly different, the history said the Japanese borrow ancient Chinese characters long long ago11:14
blackburnI see11:14
pluskidbut the syntax are rather different, they only borrow characters, not syntax11:15
blackburnis there a syntax? :D11:15
pluskidfor what?11:15
blackburnI really do not get how it is like to write in these two languages11:16
blackburnit seems to be very different right?11:16
pluskidI don't understand you11:16
pluskidyou mean the sentence would be different?11:17
pluskidor the characters (strokes)?11:17
blackburnpluskid: sentences11:17
blackburndoes it make sense to translate word by word?11:18
pluskidblackburn: then would be quite different11:18
pluskidblackburn: the order of Japanese is a bit strange11:18
pluskidthey use "subject object verb" order11:18
blackburnpluskid: how would you say that you just said in chinese *but* translated to english word-by-word?11:19
pluskidactually, except they require verb should be put at the end, the order for other elements can be interchanged freely11:19
pluskidblackburn: you want me to say a sentence in chinese and translate to english word-by-word?11:20
blackburnyeah11:20
blackburnpluskid: I mean it seems that all the things are pretty different11:20
pluskid??????????11:21
blackburnhow would you indicate some say past perfect in chinese?11:21
pluskidJapanese's order is a bit strange11:21
pluskidthe time can be inferred from the context11:21
pluskidand there are some decorating words11:23
pluskidto indicate the time of the action11:23
blackburnpluskid: so actually is it feasible to parse something translated from chinese to english with such brute force?11:23
pluskidlike the word "will" in english11:23
pluskidit means the action will be in future11:23
pluskidblackburn: quite difficult I would say11:24
pluskidlook at google translate :)11:24
blackburnyeah that was clear google translate would fuck up with it11:24
blackburnbut is it feasible for native?11:24
pluskidhmm, word-by-word translation... maybe feasible, the result will read strange, but I guess people can understand11:25
blackburnwhat I mean is not only language as words and chars but language as way of mind is pretty different11:26
blackburnand you may think about some things I can not because I can't describe it with my words11:27
blackburn:D11:27
pluskidhmm, maybe11:27
emreceliktenblackburn: Sapir-Whorf hypothesis11:28
blackburnemrecelikten: LOL I knew you would say something like that11:28
emreceliktenWhy? :D11:28
blackburnemrecelikten: you tend to discuss some psychology contexts :)11:29
emreceliktenblackburn: Nice observation11:30
blackburnemrecelikten: but what do you personally think about this hypothesis?11:30
blackburnI am pretty sure it works for languages11:30
blackburnbut programming ones11:30
emreceliktenblackburn: Well I am no expert aks ko polyglot, but it ssems to be true to some extent11:31
emreceliktenah sorry, and no polyglot*11:31
emreceliktenstill trying to get used to colemak11:32
blackburnpluskid: have you checked that ECOC JMLR paper?11:33
pluskidblackburn: no, which one?11:34
pluskidI'm reading another paper11:34
blackburnpluskid: which one?11:34
pluskidby gun :p11:34
pluskidAdapting Codes and Embeddings for Polychotomies11:34
blackburnpluskid: http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/papers/volume11/escalera10a/escalera10a.pdf11:35
blackburnpluskid: http://mloss.org/software/view/238/11:35
* n4nd0 is afk11:35
pluskidblackburn: thanks! great references11:36
blackburnpluskid: remarkable thing there is that OvR, OvO and even trees are ECOCs11:36
pluskidinteresting11:37
blackburnpluskid: I think it would be easy for you to port these routines from the ECOC library11:37
pluskidblackburn: I will look at their code tomorrow11:38
pluskidjust need a good-designed framework in shogun for this I guess :)11:38
blackburnpluskid: that could be your first step11:38
blackburnyes11:38
blackburnbut you already did one11:38
blackburnyou would have to extend strategies I think and nothing moer11:39
pluskidbut improvements are needed I think :)11:39
pluskidyes, strategies11:39
n4nd0pluskid: the authors of ECOC are Spanish btw, tell me if you find some non-translated doc :P11:41
pluskidn4nd0: haha! OK, thanks!11:41
blackburnsonne|work: openmrs has got 18 (!!!) students11:42
sonne|workI think you need some full time admin for that many students11:44
blackburnsonne|work: yes 6-7 admins at least11:44
blackburnsonne|work: they are totally funded from a lot of sources - in the end they do pretty useful software11:46
wikingn4nd0: heeey12:03
wikingn4nd0: sorry i had a meeting12:03
wikinglet me know when u r here12:03
blackburnwiking: http://hiero.ru/pict/249/2169698.jpg do you know that crazy girl? :D12:07
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wikingheheh eyes12:13
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wikingn4nd0: i guess you are off eating ;)12:24
n4nd0wiking: hey! I am preparing my backpack, I've got to take a plane today! :S12:31
wikingn4nd0: aaah going back to spain?12:31
wikingok let me know when you'd have time this week12:31
n4nd0sure12:32
n4nd0well see you guys, I'll talk to you next time from Spain12:32
wikingoookey12:32
wikingjust msg me12:32
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pluskidsee you n4nd012:33
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wikingbrb off to lunch12:34
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PhilTillethey everybady15:00
blackburnhey PhilTillet15:01
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blackburnwiking: gsomix: waiting for your introduction ;)15:30
wikingblackburn: just finishing it up15:39
gsomixblackburn, ok15:42
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wikingsent16:18
blackburnwiking: thanks!16:22
wikingnw16:22
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CIA-64shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rf21d904 / examples/undocumented/libshogun/classifier_multiclasslinearmachine.cpp : Temporary workaround for libshogun multiclass example - http://git.io/ONbdCw16:23
blackburnwiking: did I told you about my plan to use DA multiclass svm?16:26
CIA-64shogun: Sergey Lisitsyn master * rb7f2f31 / src/NEWS : Updated news - http://git.io/hGCbAw16:27
wikingblackburn: noup16:30
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shogun-buildbotbuild #711 of r_static is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/r_static/builds/71116:35
shogun-buildbotbuild #712 of octave_static is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/octave_static/builds/71216:45
shogun-buildbotbuild #699 of python_static is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/buildbot/builders/python_static/builds/69916:49
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blackburnwiking: I want to train classifier on literally toy data17:27
blackburnwith some 3d renders or so17:27
blackburnand adapt to real ones17:27
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blackburnkarlnapf: hey how are you today?18:19
karlnapfblackburn, hi, thanks its getting better18:20
blackburngood18:20
karlnapfI really like all of our projects18:21
karlnapfso much nice stuff18:21
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CIA-64shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * rba984fc / (7 files in 5 dirs): documentation TODOs which I collected recently :) - http://git.io/0BRLkw18:55
CIA-64shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * ra05adce / src/shogun/machine/Machine.cpp : added a check for locking - http://git.io/m-S7RA18:55
CIA-64shogun: Heiko Strathmann master * r78a2bb3 / (8 files in 5 dirs):18:55
CIA-64shogun: Merge pull request #484 from karlnapf/master18:55
CIA-64shogun: source code documentation updates - http://git.io/NzuFsg18:55
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@sonney2kgsomix, please also send some introduction email to the ML19:08
gsomixsonney2k, already19:09
gsomix:)19:09
gsomixsonney2k, sorry for that, I have busied by mechanics. =___=19:12
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blackburnkarlnapf: do you mind some documentation spring in middle of may or so?19:42
blackburnsprint19:44
blackburndamn :D19:44
@sonney2kgsomix, great!19:52
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gsomixsonney2k, I have a small request (wish). could you please point out my mistakes in English in spare time? :)19:59
* gsomix likes mechanics and analysis of problems on six pages.20:07
blackburnhah20:37
blackburnsonney2k: is having a forum a good idea for shogun?20:38
blackburnit seems no20:42
blackburnwiking: please check my last mail @ the ML20:56
@sonney2kblackburn, why a forum?21:04
@sonney2kblackburn, man you seem to have quite some energy now!21:04
blackburnsonney2k: nevermind ;)21:04
blackburnsonney2k: yes I have to complete my university project and ready to think about everything but not this project21:05
blackburnhowever I have some balls to finish it yeah :D21:05
blackburnsonney2k: probably right before this exam I'll start to do a lot of dev things hehhe21:07
@sonney2kblackburn, please say no to vodka :P21:08
blackburnsonney2k: why so?21:08
* sonney2k has no idea what vodking is talking about :)21:08
blackburnsonney2k: looks parseable for me ;)21:08
blackburnsonney2k: I should bring a few bottles to you21:11
@sonney2kblackburn, I hope you don't mind me mixing it with tons of water :D21:18
blackburnsonney2k: is it common that academia you work in pays for conference trips, etc?21:18
blackburnin your country I mean21:18
@sonney2kyes of course21:23
@sonney2kyou get relatively low salary in academia so it is natural that they pay you for such stuff21:24
blackburnI should check if they would provide me here with some support if I send some thesises21:24
blackburnto some conf21:24
* sonney2k closes his eyes OOOOooooooo....21:24
blackburnam I so boring? :D21:24
wikingblackburn: will soon21:31
wikingaaah coool21:31
blackburnwiking: your excitement makes me optimistic21:32
wiking:)))21:32
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