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@sonney2kvan51, whats wrong?01:04
van51sonney2k: everything's peachy :)01:08
@sonney2kvan51, fine fine I just returned from the workshop afterparty01:09
@sonney2kvan51, how is everything going01:09
van51sonney2k: did you guys have fun?01:09
@sonney2kyeah we did01:09
@iglesiasgA LOT!01:09
van51haha01:09
van51cool01:10
@sonney2khehe01:10
van51maybe next time I can attend too01:10
@sonney2klets hope so01:10
van51for the tutorial ofc01:10
@sonney2kvan51, how expensive are flights from greece to berlin?01:10
van51not the party01:10
van51sonney2k: no idea01:10
van51sonney2k: let me check01:10
@iglesiasgIt has been really great i think01:10
@sonney2kvan51, we will try to get some video's uploaded to youtube01:10
van51around 200 euros01:12
van51some are cheaper, some are more expensive01:12
van51sonney2k: yeah that would be nice01:12
@sonney2kvan51, we would love to meet you too01:13
@sonney2kvan51, this is actually the first time we all meet IRL01:13
van51sonney2k: hehe01:14
@wikingheheh01:14
van51sonney2k: sounds like you hit it off well though01:15
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gsomixsonney2k, hey08:50
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@wikingyo12:27
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@sonney2kwiking, iglesiasg already at TU?13:04
@sonney2kvan51, around?13:11
@sonney2kgsomix, how is the .csv stuff doing?13:11
van51sonney2k: yea13:12
van51sonney2k: hi13:12
@sonney2kvan51, I am wondering a bit about the PR13:12
@sonney2kvan51, so it is for dense features right?13:12
van51sonney2k: yes13:12
gsomixsonney2k, hi. I have some questions.13:12
@sonney2kI mean you compress dense features13:12
@sonney2kvan51, I am not sure anyone would even do that13:13
foulwallsonney2k , I almost finish the ocr demo, when I finish, i'll push it on nn.7nn.de and show you13:13
@sonney2kvan51, I mean when you can laod the data into memory why not use it?13:13
van51sonney2k: i did that because that's what we had discussed13:13
@sonney2kvan51, it would make a lot of sense for sparse features though13:13
van51sonney2k: but reasons for doing it13:14
@sonney2kfoulwall, cool13:14
van51sonney2k: would be to introduced this randomness from the dim reduction13:14
@sonney2kgsomix, where are they?13:14
gsomixsonney2k, should csv reader work with quotes?13:14
van51sonney2k: I am also working on a sparse features equivalent btw13:14
gsomixsonney2k, what to do with multi-typed csv files?13:14
@sonney2kgsomix, would be cool13:14
van51sonney2k: I'm not arguing it will be used.. you re probably right. I can just submit another PR later on about the sparse features13:15
@sonney2kgsomix, we don't have multi-typed in shogun13:15
gsomixsonney2k, I mean I can write methods for mono-typed csv - readVector and readMatrix. And some methods for reading cell by cell - readInt, readString...13:16
@iglesiasgsonney2k: yeah! sorry for the delay, I was grabbing some food13:17
gsomixsonney2k, btw, what do you prefer? templated CSVReader class with SGVector<T> readVector() and SGMatrix<T> readMatrix() methods?13:17
gsomixor not templated class with many readIntVector(), readByteVector()...13:18
@sonney2kfoulwall, I showed parts of your demos at the workshop. People were very excited and liked it :)13:19
@sonney2kgsomix, what produces less code :)13:20
@sonney2kiglesiasg, there is no one who does understand better. food -> priority13:21
gsomixsonney2k, today is coding session on workshop?13:22
@sonney2kvan51, for sparse it makes a lot of sense13:22
@sonney2kgsomix, today and tomorrow yes13:22
van51sonney2k: ok I'll have it done in a couple hours :)13:22
@sonney2kI am still in the train to get there13:22
van51sonney2k: I'll close that PR13:22
@sonney2kvan51, well maybe not13:22
@sonney2kit might make sense for some cases when you do streaming again13:23
@sonney2kor need speed13:23
@sonney2kor a classifier that requires little memory13:23
van51sonney2k: streaming would be a different class though13:23
gsomixsonney2k, cool. unfortunately I can only watch part of your and Sergey's reports.13:23
@iglesiasgsonney2k: so when are you coming? :)13:24
@sonney2kvan51, true but it will be written in a way that it uses the same functions13:24
@sonney2kso not really code duplication13:24
gsomixsonney2k, ahh, and one more question. should I replace FILE* by shogun's File class?13:24
@sonney2kiglesiasg, I am in the train. I left directly from the swimming hall13:25
@sonney2kvan51, so let me merge this then13:25
van51sonney2k: but they are instance methods atm13:25
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shogun-notifier-shogun: van51 :develop * 265b751 / / (3 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/265b7515fc0b3bd3e529788c6fbd034a73eb0def13:26
shogun-notifier-shogun: HashedDenseFeatures class13:26
shogun-notifier-shogun: Soeren Sonnenburg :develop * 9290cec / / (3 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/9290cec6119d8035e2565fae2bbb1f24f3edc29813:26
shogun-notifier-shogun: Merge pull request #1238 from van51/feature/hashing13:26
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shogun-notifier-shogun: HashedDenseFeatures class13:26
@iglesiasgsonney2k: cool!13:26
@sonney2kvan51, well easy to fix right?13:26
van51sonney2k: yeah I guess13:26
van51sonney2k: btw a friend of mine is sitting an exam on Monday and I may have to help her13:26
van51sonney2k: so I may be offline this weekend on irc13:27
@sonney2kgsomix, errm isn't CSVReader derived from CFile?13:27
van51sonney2k: but I'll keep working13:27
gsomixsonney2k, nope. should be? ok. :)13:27
@sonney2kvan51, foulwall, gsomix I am going on vacations tomorrow (for 3 weeks) but I bought some prepaid card so I will have internet access usually around maybe 10 UTC / 19 UTC+13:28
van51sonney2k: ah nice :) have fun :D13:28
van51sonney2k: as long as you reply to emails I'm ok :p13:29
@sonney2kgsomix, yeah well your class will basically replace ASCIIReader13:29
foulwall:) sonney2k have fun13:30
@sonney2ksure email might be better for communication but of course chat is possible but not spontaneously13:30
@sonney2kgsomix, so this answers the question about templated vs non-templated :/13:30
@sonney2kCFile doesn't use templates13:31
@sonney2kso you also cannot13:31
@wikingmmm13:32
@sonney2kgsomix, so all you have to do is implement the get_ and set_* functions13:32
@sonney2kwiking, yes?13:32
gsomixsonney2k, can I use some magic of macroses/defines?13:32
@wikingsonney2k: what does check_complex_supported_class suppose to do13:32
@sonney2kwiking, ask Heiko!13:32
@wikingsonney2k: we have a problem that:  TypeError: object of type 'filter' has no len()13:32
@wikingin python313:32
@sonney2kgsomix, look at ascii reader and you will see that we do this too!13:32
gsomixah, ok. IIRC get_, set_ works with memory blocks directly. should replace by SGVectors?13:32
gsomixsonney2k, ok. ^__^'13:33
@sonney2kgsomix, but it doesn't use your line reader...13:33
@wikingok i see lambday commmited13:34
@wikingi'll ask heiko13:34
@sonney2kgsomix, do it with pointers for the moment - a switch would mean you also have to change all *File Classes13:34
@sonney2kpossible but quite some work13:34
gsomixmaybe I can to do this scheme: CFile (low-level functions for reading) -> CLineReader (with some method for reading lines and basic types) -> CSVReader (high-level reading of structured file).13:35
@sonney2kno13:36
@sonney2kgsomix, look at File.h13:36
gsomixok13:37
gsomixsonney2k, I get what do you mean now.13:38
gsomixI should not change CFile interface.13:40
gsomixCFile -> CSVReader (that uses LineReader for parsing). right?13:41
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Viktor Gal :develop * 4a38c00 / src/shogun/base/class_list.cpp.py: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/4a38c0002f745119b00214f27823ac571a4f4e5013:49
shogun-notifier-shogun: Fix issue #123913:49
shogun-notifier-shogun: object of type 'filter' has no len()13:49
@wiking\o/ one bug down13:49
-!- wiking changed the topic of #shogun to: Shogun Machine Learning Toolbox | Devs are usually around between 10am-10pm UTC | Workshop upcoming July 12-14, Berlin C-Base http://bit.ly/146Jtv8 | We participate in GSoC 2013 http://bit.ly/16LaK5Z | When asking questions please be patient or use the mailing list. We always answer but it might take a while. | Channel logs http://bit.ly/eQDk8Q13:52
@wikingnomore livestream :P13:52
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gsomixwiking, :(13:52
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@wikingmmm another bug to be down ;)14:07
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van51gsomix: you complete me14:50
van51gsomix: did you try it? :)14:50
gsomixvan51, wut?14:50
van51gsomix: the plugin for vim, YouCompleteMe14:50
gsomixnope, I'm still on gedit14:51
van51gsomix: I installed it today14:51
van51gsomix: I like it14:51
van51gsomix: I'll probably switch from gedit now14:51
gsomixvan51, cool. most of shoguners uses vim. :)14:53
van51gsomix: I'll fit in now *.*14:55
gsomixhuh :)14:57
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Viktor Gal :develop * f8a7d4c / / (3 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/f8a7d4cd5dbd17b05d65cb3253df15d02d2ad20e16:08
shogun-notifier-shogun: Fix issue #124016:08
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@HeikoShttp://nbviewer.ipython.org/5982623 16:27
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@HeikoShttp://nbviewer.ipython.org/5982623 16:29
@HeikoShttp://nbviewer.ipython.org/5982623 16:30
@sonney2kgsomix, sry had to leave train and was copying videos of the workshop over16:41
@sonney2kjust back now16:41
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 26eb10e / src/shogun/mathematics/Random.cpp,tests/unit/mathematics/Random_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/26eb10e5a8db80d4d102f79e023c0b187e19e76218:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: change random seed to current time in 1/100s and change unit tests18:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * d67da32 / src/shogun/mathematics/Math.h: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/d67da3264f21267b33e9b911676f647ae4f4321d18:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: removed warning18:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * af869bd / tests/unit/converter/Isomap_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/af869bd216c824ca57c87e424f74cfd0c507535518:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: removed warning18:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * c65563a / tests/unit/Makefile: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/c65563ad3d9bf8bd56e59f88ee85cd32d97abb1618:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: compile with warnings as errors18:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * fb79c1c / tests/unit/lib/CircularBuffer_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/fb79c1c9f503e148b39060d3d223aa818618784c18:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: removed warning18:00
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shogun-notifier-shogun: unit test for checking correct quantiles of std normal rnd18:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 4aaab3d / tests/unit/mathematics/Random_unittest.cc: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/4aaab3d7542f92f21cd17264e7b557905d62ac4518:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: removed print output18:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: Heiko Strathmann :develop * 5198696 / / (6 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/5198696697fff8aff2144c42d54f64fb16cf0c7018:00
shogun-notifier-shogun: Merge pull request #1241 from karlnapf/develop18:00
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shogun-notifier-shogun: some random fixes/changes/tests18:00
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ssd__hi guys: there is a problem with dist-packages vs. site-packages for python: arch linux python 2.7 apparently does not find the packages in dis-packages.18:03
ssd__this seems to be a debian-specific way:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9387928/whats-the-difference-between-dist-packages-and-site-packages18:04
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@sonney2kwiking, I just created a minimal R example with ref/unref and it seems to work...18:12
@sonney2kso maybe it is some shogun issue with whatever overloading of ref/unref18:13
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gsomixsonney2k, cool! make videos of workshop is a great idea.21:28
gsomixcu tomorrow21:28
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@sonney2klisitsyn, hey tourist!23:10
lisitsynsonney2k: hey hey23:10
lisitsynsonney2k: are you out of town already?23:10
@sonney2klisitsyn, how is it like23:10
@sonney2klisitsyn, no not yet23:10
@sonney2ktomorrow morning23:10
lisitsynsonney2k: how is it like what?23:10
@sonney2kI left the workshop around 17:1523:10
@sonney2klisitsyn, your sightseeing business23:11
@sonney2kwhat places did you check out?23:11
@sonney2kdid you go on top of the tv-tower?23:11
lisitsynsonney2k: I wanted to but it is like being repaired or so?23:11
lisitsynsonney2k: I did go to the top of siegessaeule23:11
@sonney2kthat is at least sth23:12
lisitsynsonney2k: I am totally pissed off - I just got to know no shops tomorrow23:12
@sonney2kbtw I can show you where I work23:12
lisitsynsonney2k: it is like a bit lower from alexplatz by spree yes/23:12
lisitsyn?23:12
lisitsynsonney2k: I've been to zoo today23:13
lisitsyninstead of some hacking23:13
@sonney2khttps://maps.google.de/maps?q=52.495474,13.46199&ll=52.495262,13.462125&spn=0.002812,0.008256&num=1&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=52.495262,13.462125&panoid=gdbwoEyi-4M_SYC6t2D-dA&cbp=12,308.65,,0,-28.9523:13
lisitsynhehe23:13
@sonney2klisitsyn, well we missed you23:14
@sonney2kyou should consider to stop by for some short time at least23:14
lisitsynsonney2k: I think I have seen mueggelsee when I was in plane23:17
@sonney2klisitsyn, might be23:17
lisitsynI believe so :D23:17
@sonney2kberlin has lots of lakes23:18
lisitsynsonney2k: my vision is totally bad so I am not sure23:18
lisitsynbut there was lake and we like landed in a minute23:19
@sonney2kmueggelsee is berlins biggest lake23:24
@sonney2kso chances are good that this was the one ;)23:25
lisitsynsonney2k: yeah no idea how do you get to the other side23:25
@sonney2kacross the lake is just 3.5km23:25
@sonney2kbut it is kind of an ellipsoid23:26
lisitsynsonney2k: I mean if you swim 3.5km is like ehmm23:26
@sonney2kso this is the longer one23:26
lisitsynhow many hours? 2? 3?23:26
@sonney2kmaybe 1:15 to 1:3023:26
@sonney2knot so fast23:26
lisitsynoh really?23:26
lisitsynI am bad in such timing23:26
@sonney2kI guess the best swim the thing in half the time23:27
lisitsynsonney2k: I have visited: zoo, siegessaeule, reichstag, brandenburger tor, bundesrat, alexanderplatz, checkpoint charlie23:28
lisitsynsonney2k: can you suggest anything particular to add?23:28
lisitsynwe walked through tiergarten (all the streets here) and visited rosengarten too23:29
lisitsynberliner dom too23:30
lisitsynhumboldt university etc23:30
lisitsynall the things on this street23:30
@sonney2kyou are japanese!23:30
lisitsynfriedrichstrasse I guess23:30
lisitsynsonney2k: why?23:30
@sonney2kso unter den linden etc23:30
lisitsynsonney2k: I believe I am not :D23:30
@sonney2kI think you have seen more of berlin than me23:30
lisitsynhaha23:31
@sonney2kwell the region around hackischer markt is hip23:31
lisitsynsonney2k: we also have been to moabit23:31
lisitsynI don't want to get there anymore23:31
@sonney2kthe western center around zoologischer garten / kudamm is not so much but also a tourist thing23:32
@sonney2kI think the nicest part really is around the 'Dom'23:32
lisitsynsonney2k: kudamm and zoo are just like in 1km from me so we walked here already23:32
lisitsynI am scaried with moabit23:32
@sonney2kwith alexanderplatz, hackescher markt23:32
@sonney2kthere is tons of museums at museumsinsel23:33
@sonney2klike pergamon museum (famous)23:33
@sonney2knot sure if you are into such stuff23:33
lisitsynI don't know too!23:33
@sonney2kthat might be something but it is big...23:33
@sonney2kthere is one thing if the weather is nice23:34
@sonney2kyou could go to jannowitzbruecke again23:34
@sonney2kand take a boat ride23:34
lisitsynsonney2k: oh thanks for suggestions!23:34
@sonney2kthese are pretty neat23:34
@sonney2kthere is one tour that goes through 100 bridges or so23:35
@sonney2kthrough east/west23:35
@sonney2kso you will see everything again from the water23:35
lisitsynsonney2k: by spree or that channel between ku'damm and tiergarten?23:35
@sonney2kyeah spree and some channel23:35
lisitsynsonney2k: bus 100 is awesome I think we should ride it23:36
lisitsynhave you tried it?23:36
@sonney2khttp://www.berlin.de/tourismus/dampferfahrten/schiffstouren-schifffahrten/2484915-2502534-schiffstour-brueckenfahrt-23-kilometer-k.html23:36
@sonney2klisitsyn, yes they kept that bus for tourists :)23:36
@sonney2khttp://www.berlinberlin.de/Schiffahrten/brueckentour-berlin.html23:37
@sonney2kI guess you have seen potsdamer platz and the 'hauptbahnhof'23:38
lisitsynsonney2k: yeah we have been to potsdamer twice or so23:38
lisitsynsonney2k: we had lunch at some 'FBI' cafe23:39
lisitsynwith fernando23:39
lisitsynoh my god it was awful23:39
@sonney2klisitsyn, ok actually that is the tour that I meant http://www.sternundkreis.de/de/Unsere-Touren/Innenstadt/Brueckenfahrt-ab-Friedrichstr./K235.htm23:39
@sonney2klisitsyn, it takes 3.5 hrs23:39
@sonney2klisitsyn, yeah potsdamer platz is for tourists too23:40
lisitsynsonney2k: if you have some enemy23:40
lisitsynjust say 'visit FBI at potsdamer platz'23:40
lisitsynand take rice with cous cous sauce23:40
lisitsyn:D23:40
lisitsynsonney2k: thanks for the tour suggestion23:41
@sonney2kyou can buy tickets directly at jannowitzbruecke etc23:42
lisitsynthat's nice23:42
lisitsynsonney2k: because I still don't know how to buy tickets for bus23:42
lisitsyn:D23:42
@sonney2kanyway I think you have seen quite  alot already23:42
@sonney2kyou could also visit 'gaerten der welt'23:42
@sonney2ksome gardens23:42
@sonney2kI mean a biiiig park23:42
@sonney2kwith lots of flowers maze's and stuff23:43
lisitsynlet me check23:43
lisitsynsonney2k: my parents would be happy to see such photos haha23:43
@sonney2khttp://www.lonelyplanet.com/germany/berlin/sights/garden/garten-der-welt23:43
lisitsynoh that's C zone!23:44
@sonney2kor you could visit http://www.potsdam-park-sanssouci.de/23:44
@sonney2kor even better the TU berlin :P23:45
lisitsynhaha okay I will consider that but can't promise anything23:45
lisitsynas I am not alone and vote :D23:45
@sonney2klisitsyn, anyways have nice holidays I am tired now. That's been looong days23:45
@sonney2klisitsyn, well people are around 11-16 or so23:46
@sonney2kbut wiking has to leave early23:46
lisitsynI see23:46
@sonney2kso rather have a 1-2 hour look in the morning and then do some sightseeing23:46
lisitsynsonney2k: alright23:46
lisitsynsonney2k: so then take some rest23:47
@sonney2kyou could walk from ernst-reuter platz23:47
lisitsynnice holidays for you too23:47
lisitsynuh no idea where it is23:47
@sonney2kthe place where love parade used to end23:47
lisitsynahh strasse des siebenzehn juni23:47
lisitsynI have been quite near23:48
@sonney2kyes23:48
lisitsynsonney2k: my opinion is that it is the best street in berlin btw23:48
lisitsyn(from what I have seen)23:49
@sonney2kI like unter den linden more23:49
@sonney2kbut hey I must say that I am from the 'east'23:49
lisitsynsonney2k: sowjetische!23:50
lisitsynsonney2k: and I must complain deutsch is a bit complex sometimes23:51
lisitsynI have a few dictionaries on my phone23:51
lisitsynand no dictionary had gaenge23:51
lisitsynso when we was to traube restaraunt23:51
lisitsyn(that's the only place I have seen that word)23:51
lisitsynI asked 'sorry what is gaenge' :D23:52
lisitsynshameful as usual23:52
@sonney2knothing to worry about23:53
@sonney2kberlin is full of tourist in the summer23:54
@sonney2kso you are not alone and they want YOUR money so they have to behave so you cannot ask a question that is too ``stupid''23:54
lisitsynsonney2k: you have seen I am like freezed due to limited languages experience23:55
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