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@HeikoSlambday:  hi!00:00
@HeikoShow are things?00:00
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@HeikoSlambday_ hi! how are things?00:01
lambday_HeikoS: things are good ... saw the ideas list00:01
@HeikoSlambday_:  like things?00:01
lambday_HeikoS: absolutely.. many many things actually :D00:01
lambday_HeikoS: I am thinking to give the kernel project a shot00:02
@HeikoSlambday_: that will be a nice one00:02
@HeikoSmore ML than coding I guess00:02
@HeikoSand experiments/examples00:02
@HeikoSDino, the other mentor is a postdoc in my lab00:02
@HeikoSso it will be intense00:02
lambday_HeikoS: nice :)00:02
lambday_HeikoS: in next few weeks will brush/pick up concepts...00:03
@HeikoSthere is loads of stuff already in shogun00:03
@HeikoSdepending on the student, we might even do a bit more bleeding edge research ....00:04
@HeikoSdepnding on context00:04
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@HeikoSthe mcmc one might also be nice, and I guess the variational learning one is the most hardcore ML project00:04
lambday_mcmc is not there in the list :-/00:04
lambday_oh did you update later?00:04
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lambdayHeikoS: I was checking out the notebook you have00:06
@HeikoSlambday: must be00:06
@HeikoSwait00:06
@HeikoSlisitsyn: could you add the mcmc description to the ideas list?00:07
@HeikoSlambday: should be there soon00:08
@HeikoSI can send you an email with the proposal state00:08
@HeikoSlambday: email sent00:09
lambdayHeikoS: alright...00:09
lambdayHeikoS: thanks :)00:09
@HeikoSthat also an interesting one00:09
@HeikoSbut kernels are also00:09
@HeikoSall of mine are ultra cool obviously ;D00:09
@HeikoSlambday: how are things apart from that?00:09
lambdaylol I am back to square one then :P00:09
lambdayHeikoS: umm.. things are good.. I thought of adding FOIL/kFOIL stuff to shogun - so today was thinking a bit about that as well... its aligned with my thesis..00:10
@HeikoSwhats that?00:10
lambdayfirst order inductive learning stuffs -00:11
lambdayFOL00:11
@HeikoSlambday: I see, wow thats old school stuff00:11
@HeikoSlambday: how is the bug hunt going?00:11
lambdayHeikoS: yeah but recently there has been a new field of interest on that area00:12
@HeikoSlambday: and still interested in the multitask notebook? :)00:12
@HeikoSlambday: cool, any relevant papers?00:12
shogun-buildbotbuild #62 of osx2 - python is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/osx2%20-%20python/builds/6200:12
lambdayHeikoS: well, bug - didn't try after that :(00:12
@sonney2kshogun-buildbot, force build --branch=develop 'deb4 - python3'00:12
shogun-buildbotbuild forced [ETA 9m18s]00:12
shogun-buildbotI'll give a shout when the build finishes00:12
@sonney2kshogun-buildbot, force build --branch=develop 'debian wheezy - memcheck'00:13
shogun-buildbotThe build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts00:13
lambdayHeikoS: well, there is one which is used for propositional logic stuff - I am trying to extend that idea to first order00:13
@sonney2kHeikoS, no but it doesn't matter00:13
lambdayit uses LP relaxation00:13
@sonney2kHeikoS, proposal was already excellent00:13
lambdayHeikoS: I thought lisitsyn was onto the notebook00:14
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@HeikoSlambday: yeah true, but didnt I also ask you about a notebook?00:15
@HeikoSnothing happened really so far :)00:15
@HeikoSLP relaxation is also used in probabilistic ML to solve MRF problems00:15
@HeikoStechnical stuff00:15
@HeikoSsonney2k: gunnars comments might be nice to have00:15
lambdayHeikoS: check this one - http://jmlr.org/proceedings/papers/v28/malioutov13.pdf00:16
lambdayHeikoS: umm... since lisitsyn said he was going to do it - I didn't explore much.. I will see if possible I will add :)00:17
lambdayHeikoS: another notebook needs to be made on string kernels - gotta start that one too00:17
shogun-buildbotbuild #108 of deb4 - python3 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb4%20-%20python3/builds/10800:17
shogun-buildbotbuild forced [ETA 1h02m02s]00:17
shogun-buildbotI'll give a shout when the build finishes00:17
@HeikoSlambday: yeah :)00:18
@HeikoSstring kernels and svms and stuff00:18
@HeikoSlambday: ok I gotta go to bed now, see you tomorrow or so00:18
lambdayHeikoS: alright man! I am checking out the mcmc project -00:18
lambdayciao...00:18
@HeikoSlambday: yeah that might be cool and infinitely extensible :)00:18
@HeikoSbye00:18
lambdayHeikoS: bye :)00:19
shogun-buildbotbuild #63 of osx2 - python is complete: Failure [failed python modular]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/osx2%20-%20python/builds/63  blamelist: Soeren Sonnenburg <sonne@debian.org>, Sergey Lisitsyn <lisitsyn.s.o@gmail.com>, Viktor Gal <viktor.gal@maeth.com>00:25
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shogun-buildbotbuild #202 of debian wheezy - memcheck is complete: Failure [failed memory check]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/debian%20wheezy%20-%20memcheck/builds/20202:09
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Viktor Gal :develop * 3fcb4a5 / / (4 files): https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/3fcb4a5af91436e3776491dcea9ddbb5fdba2d6108:16
shogun-notifier-shogun: Fix issue #186908:16
shogun-notifier-shogun: Add coveralls badge to README.md08:16
shogun-notifier-shogun: remove coverage stats of examples, tests, benchmark, cmake08:16
shogun-buildbotbuild #2683 of deb1 - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile test]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb1%20-%20libshogun/builds/2683  blamelist: Viktor Gal <viktor.gal@maeth.com>08:17
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sonne|osxwiking: you broke the build ...08:25
sonne|osxwiking: looks like you accidentally submitted src/shogun/classifier/vw/VwRegressor.cpp/h08:25
wiking:)08:29
wikingno i did not08:29
wikingi just haven't tested :))))08:29
sonne|osxwiking: errm...!?!08:29
wikingthere's a fix08:29
shogun-notifier-shogun: Viktor Gal :develop * ab49c7a / src/shogun/classifier/vw/VwRegressor.cpp: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/ab49c7a4c900a7c63bbda9fe2c8c117b1ed9bbb808:29
wikingdo not worry08:29
shogun-notifier-shogun: Fix erronous function call introduced in the previous commit08:29
sonne|osxwiking: we want to do a release ....08:30
wikingi know08:30
wikingi'm trying to help08:30
wikingthis should fix like 4 memleaks ...08:30
wikingnamely all these issues #1848 #1847 #1846 #184508:30
sonne|osxwiking: we need a test for that reflecting it...08:31
sonne|osxwiking: all the other memory leaks seem to be serialization related http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/memcheck/20140213-2319.html08:31
wikingsonne|osx: well the serialization fws are all good tests for it :)08:32
wikingthat are currently leaking :)08:32
sonne|osxthere is one united memory read in serialization ascii08:32
sonne|osxbut that is due to a bug in libc08:32
sonne|osxfscanf will get it in strod08:32
sonne|osxwhen and 'inf'08:32
sonne|osxor 'nan' occurs08:33
wikingbtw hopefully coverage will get above 80% with this removal of some sources08:33
wikingehhe08:33
wikingthat's shit :)08:33
sonne|osxwell I think we are again in much better shape than we were previously08:33
sonne|osxso we should just release08:33
wikingis this really a bug08:33
sonne|osxthe one thing I would like to fix somehow08:34
wikingor it's never going to be fixed?08:34
sonne|osxis the python3 thing08:34
sonne|osxwiking: we should try the same on debian sid08:34
wikingsame what?08:34
wikingpython3?08:34
wikingor libc? :)08:34
sonne|osxsame valgrind analysis08:34
sonne|osxyes libc08:34
wikingah08:34
wiking i see08:34
wikingi can run it once :)08:34
sonne|osxpython3 I did already08:34
sonne|osxcan finally reproduce it08:34
sonne|osxserialization of *any* object fails08:35
sonne|osxon python 3.3.408:35
wikinglol08:35
sonne|osxbut works on wheezy08:35
wikingbug or features?08:35
sonne|osxin 3.208:35
sonne|osxwell any object08:35
wikingbut 3.2 is none stable branch08:35
sonne|osxmeans any shogun object08:35
shogun-buildbotbuild #2684 of deb1 - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb1%20-%20libshogun/builds/2684  blamelist: Viktor Gal <viktor.gal@maeth.com>08:35
wiking3.3 supposed to be stable of python308:35
sonne|osxno08:35
sonne|osx3.3 fails too08:35
sonne|osxso it doesn't help08:35
sonne|osxeven sth like CTime cannot be serialized08:36
sonne|osxbut calling the functions manulally works perfect08:36
sonne|osxeven then08:36
sonne|osxso no idea what pickle does there08:36
sonne|osxalright08:36
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sonne|osx^ wiking another failure?!08:36
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wikingyeah see it08:36
wikingdouble free08:37
wikingyeeey08:37
sonne|workexpected so - we really have to convert the stuff to use refcounted sgvector.09:16
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sonne|workwiking: can you fix it timely or should we just revert things for now10:42
sonne|worklisitsyn1: seen this? http://mloss.org/software/view/538/ ?10:55
lisitsyn1sonne|work: yes10:56
lisitsyn1a while ago10:56
lisitsyn1I mean it was available before10:56
sonne|workhttp://mloss.org/software/view/539/10:59
sonne|worklisitsyn1:  for NN I would just not want to reimplement/the wheel11:01
sonne|workwe should like for svms11:01
sonne|workjust interface11:01
besser82sonne|work: Sry, I've been ill the last 2 days; had a std::coldWithFever11:23
besser82sonne|work: Shall I still try that sniplet?!?11:23
sonne|workbesser82: yes!11:23
sonne|workbesser82: sry to hear!11:24
sonne|workbesser82: I am not sure why I am OK atm, lack of sleep etc should'v killed me11:24
besser82sonne|work:  not so nice either  :(11:25
besser82sonne|work:  Can't pickle <class 'Time'>: attribute lookup imp.Time failed11:25
sonne|workbesser82: hah11:25
sonne|workso there we have it11:25
besser82sonne|work:  ???11:25
sonne|workone cannot pickle *anythin*11:25
sonne|workg11:25
sonne|workweird that it works with python3.2 here11:26
sonne|worksomething must have changed11:26
sonne|workin python11:26
sonne|workmaybe the way they treat external C classes when (un)pickling11:27
lisitsyn1sonne|work: NN is neural networks?11:27
sonne|workyes11:29
sonne|worksure11:29
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sonne|worklisitsyn1: maybe we could have a way how to store layers weights / structure of the framework in shogun11:30
sonne|worklisitsyn1: then we pass this to any NN-IMPL11:30
sonne|workand fill results back in11:30
sonne|worklisitsyn1: but maybe the best approach would be to start with some NN library11:31
lisitsyn1sonne|work: yeah11:31
sonne|workbecause otherwise we won't learn how it works11:31
sonne|workit is kind of the way we did it with SVMs11:32
lisitsyn1sonne|work: yes we just need to get our hands dirty11:32
sonne|workyeah11:32
lisitsyn1I'll just try to design it and see what I get11:32
sonne|workthese things are too complex to do on our own so it is good I think if we just outsource complexity11:32
lisitsyn1sonne|work: worst thing I know about NNs is that there are a lot of things like11:33
lisitsyn1normalize this and normalize that11:33
lisitsyn1and subtract mean or whatever11:33
sonne|workyeah there are a lot of tricks11:34
lisitsyn1much more than in svms11:34
sonne|workbut any algorithm has some11:34
lisitsyn1this sucks pretty much11:34
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wikingre12:23
wikingfixin' fixin'12:24
wikingsonne|work: ping12:32
sonne|workwiking: yes?13:30
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shogun-notifier-shogun: Viktor Gal :develop * 19ff58e / src/shogun/classifier/vw/VwRegressor.cpp,src/shogun/classifier/vw/VwRegressor.h: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/19ff58ec4c0acc86b995bc75f6b323ca466af25613:42
shogun-notifier-shogun: Revert previous try for fixing #186913:42
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shogun-buildbotbuild #2685 of deb1 - libshogun is complete: Failure [failed compile test]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb1%20-%20libshogun/builds/2685  blamelist: Viktor Gal <viktor.gal@maeth.com>13:46
wikingwtf?13:47
wikingshould have neeever tried to fix this early in the morning13:48
wikingi think i never had such a bad fix try before in shogun13:48
wiking:(13:48
shogun-notifier-shogun: Viktor Gal :develop * 40d583a / src/shogun/classifier/vw/VwRegressor.cpp: https://github.com/shogun-toolbox/shogun/commit/40d583a19988daf7435062fe3814fb25c88db45613:50
shogun-notifier-shogun: change back release_weight_vectors to SG_FREE13:50
shogun-buildbotbuild #2686 of deb1 - libshogun is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/deb1%20-%20libshogun/builds/268613:52
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sonne|workwiking: well revert it and do it in a quiet minute14:16
sonne|workwiking: and run the test locally or let travis do it14:16
wikingsonne|work: it's done now14:28
wikingsonne|work: coverage dropped significantly14:28
wiking:<14:28
wikingsince now all the 100% unit tests and examples are out :P14:28
sonne|work50%?14:29
wiking70.8814:29
sonne|workquite good still14:29
wikinghttps://coveralls.io/builds/51901214:29
sonne|workI would have expected a lot less14:29
wikingthis we need to investigate a bit14:29
wikingi have a feeling that the changed tab is fluctating14:29
wikingsince some of the covarage depends on rand()14:30
wikinglisitsyn1: here?14:31
lisitsyn1wiking: yeaj14:34
sonne|workwiking: we should just seed all tests14:36
sonne|workthen it should go ways14:36
sonne|workwiking: I don't understand what the changed 101 means and source changed 7 etc14:36
wikingsonne|work: changed in coverage14:49
sonne|workfor?14:49
sonne|workbetween what?14:49
wikingsonne|work: n-1 coverage results14:50
wikingi guess14:50
sonne|workso we have 101 files changing coverage?14:50
wikingyes apparently14:51
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shogun-buildbotbuild #203 of debian wheezy - memcheck is complete: Failure [failed memory check]  Build details are at http://buildbot.shogun-toolbox.org/builders/debian%20wheezy%20-%20memcheck/builds/203  blamelist: Viktor Gal <viktor.gal@maeth.com>16:34
sonne|workbesser82: seen that ubuntu switches to systemd? So I guess the days of other init systems are over...16:35
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sonne|osxiglesiasg: could you please get the ideas page in shape17:17
sonne|osxiglesiasg: it looks pretty messy still17:17
@iglesiasgsonne|osx, ok17:17
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@iglesiasgall right guys, please don't modify the gsoc 2014 page for a little while, I will be doing do it17:43
@iglesiasgfucking hell...18:06
@iglesiasgI have the admin editor18:07
@iglesiasgfor some reason, I lost the changes I had saved and seen updated in the website18:07
lisitsyniglesiasg: hey18:07
lisitsyniglesiasg: what's you are working on?18:08
@iglesiasglisitsyn, the website18:08
@iglesiasglisitsyn, sonney2k, did you guys by any chance had the admin interface open?18:08
lisitsyniglesiasg: moving ideas from gdocs to website?18:08
lisitsyniglesiasg: I didn't18:08
@iglesiasgI don't understand why it happened then...18:08
@iglesiasgI guess I will work on another editor to have locally a saved copy18:08
lisitsyniglesiasg: I mean18:08
lisitsynwe need to polish it a bit18:09
lisitsynhow do we handle that?18:09
@iglesiasglisitsyn, yeah, it is a pain18:09
@iglesiasgI was just planning to move for the moment the ones that were complete18:10
lisitsyniglesiasg: oh I see okay18:10
lisitsynthanks18:10
@iglesiasglisitsyn, so basically18:11
@iglesiasglisitsyn, deep learning, variational learning, fundamental ML, MCMC, output kernel learning, and variable interactions look pretty ready to me18:13
lisitsyniglesiasg: alright18:13
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lisitsynagree18:13
@iglesiasglisitsyn, do you think any other is ready too?18:13
lisitsynno not really18:13
lisitsyn:D18:13
lisitsynmine are not it seems18:13
lisitsynI'll update some of them tonight18:13
@iglesiasgwell deep learning is yours too :)18:14
lisitsyniglesiasg: I hope not!18:14
lisitsyn:D18:14
@iglesiasglisitsyn, why not? Aren't you co-mentoring that one?18:15
lisitsyniglesiasg: I mean I hope I'll just help with software part ;)18:15
@iglesiasgat the end of the day, GSoC is just developing software18:16
@iglesiasgso just the software part is just about 100% of the product :P18:16
lisitsynhah true18:17
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@iglesiasglisitsyn, do you recommend me any fancy html editor?18:26
@iglesiasgif you know of any18:26
lisitsyniglesiasg: hmm not sure I am following that18:26
lisitsyniglesiasg: isn't vim/sublime/whatever enough?18:26
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@iglesiasglisitsyn, I wanted something fancy that would highlight tags and stuff like that18:27
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@iglesiasgyou know like the matching tag, maybe the text of the current element when I am editing and so on18:28
@iglesiasgI will try with sublime, just for fun18:29
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lisitsyniglesiasg: please let me know about your experience ;)18:37
@iglesiasglisitsyn, it seems that it helps me to get the job done, and it looks indeed beautiful :)18:37
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pratheekmshello.. are any devs online.?18:53
pratheekmsI intend to apply for GSOC1418:53
pratheekms??18:56
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@iglesiasglisitsyn, ^ wtf19:04
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lisitsynHeikoS: hey22:12
@HeikoSlisitsyn: hey big boy!22:12
@HeikoShow are things?22:12
lisitsynHeikoS: haha why big boy22:12
lisitsynHeikoS: pretty ok what about you?22:12
@HeikoSjust for fun22:12
@HeikoSyeah things are ok here22:12
@HeikoSinvestigating some bugs22:12
@HeikoSand just realisaed I dont have shogun compiled in debug22:12
@HeikoSwhich means now I have to wait for 15 miniutes :)22:13
lisitsynHeikoS: I am still struggling to finish ideas descriptions :D22:13
@HeikoSyeah22:14
@HeikoSgogogogo22:14
lisitsynHeikoS: what email do you want to be published there22:18
@HeikoSdid I write email?22:18
@HeikoSwhat about website22:18
@HeikoSbut yeah22:18
@HeikoSheiko.strathmann@gmail.com22:18
@HeikoSlisitsyn: the list on the website is cutr22:21
@HeikoSsome things are only in the summary in the beginning22:21
@HeikoSlisitsyn:  could you add this caffe thing to the deep learning one. like "Investiage the possibilities of interfacing external toolboxes such as caffee (website) "22:22
@HeikoSin context of learning feature representations or so22:23
@HeikoSalso has GPU22:23
@HeikoSso that might also be interesting22:23
lisitsynHeikoS: alright22:28
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thoralfHo.23:20
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wikingmmmmm23:59
wikingback!23:59
wikingcan i edit?23:59
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